☕ SKRIVNOST IMENA Slovena Dobrava - 2

Hvala za link, Saphire.

Vendar moram povedati, da me Mr. Lencel ni prevec impresioniral.

Prvi in glavni razlog je, da razlaga zgodovino Slovencev iz nemskega zornega kota. To je tako, kot ce bi Nemec napisal svojo zgodovino na podlagi pisanj nekaterih Slovencev. To se mi zdi najvecja sibla tocka tega dokumenta. Ce raziskuje Slovence in njihovo preteklost, naj jo raiskuje na podlagi zapisov Slovencev. Glede nacasovni izvor brizinskih spomenikov, so imeli pisavo ze dosti prej, prav tako so zagotovo pustili za sabo druge sledi, kot vsi drugi narodi. Vendar taka raziskava zahteva izkopavanje na terenu in iskanje slovenskih virov za razliko od prepisovanja od yujih avtorjev. Slovenski zgodovinarji so po moje prevec pasivni in s preveliko lahkoto prepisujejo iz tujih virov.

Druga stvar, ki me je zmotila, je tale citat iz 94. strani, kjer trdi v prakticno edini njegovi lastni ugotovitvi, da so Korosci edini avtohtoni predniki Slovencev in da je imel Norik (ki je na grobo zajemal danasnjo Slovenijo) predslovansko populacijo. Ne eno ne drugo ni res, kot laze genetika, a odpuscam avtorju, ker njegov zapis sega v obdobje na samem zacetku genetskega pristopa k zgodovini narodov.

The third set of terms, Carentani / Karinthia ,
based on the name of an ancient pre-Slavic population of Noricum, represents (paradoxically
as it may sound) the only indigenous ethnicon for Slovenes. The short-lived political
existence of regnum Carentanum (888), Charentariche (898), and even the Ducatus
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Karinthiae (976-1002) did not lead to the socio-cultural affirmation of the term in Slovene
history.

jaz to ne razumem kot " avtohtone prednike", temvec kot "avtohtoni termin, izraz.

German v latinščini pomeni rod, pleme. Ko so se Rimljani srečevali z njimi, verjetno niso bili narod, temveč posamična plemena. Medtem, ko pa so Vini, Vendi, Veneti bili narod 🙂

Kolikor vemo, imamo baltske, armoriske in jadranske Venete. In baje sami sebe niso nazivali Veneti. Ali to drzi?

Ne vem. Upam, da kdo ve.Verjamem pa, da so Rimljani težko izgovorili Slovenci in so predrugačili v Vendi:)
Še danes je Italijanu težko reči npr. hiša. Kar poskusi ga navaditi. Največ, kar dobiš iz njega je iža 🙂

Potem imamo rimsko provinco Vindelicio.

VINDELI´CIA (Οὐινδελκία or Βινδελκια), the most western of the four Danubian provinces of the Roman empire. In the time of Augustus, it formed a distinct province by itself, but towards the end of the first century after Christ it was united with Rhaetia.
At a still later period the two countries were again separated, and Rhaetia Proper appears under the name Rhaetia Prima, and Vindelicia under that of Rhaetia Secunda. We have here to speak only of the latter or Vindelicia, as it appears in the time of Augustus, when it was bounded on the north by Germania Magna, that is, by the Danube and the Vallum Hadriani or Limes, on, the west by the territory of the Helvetii, on the south by Rhaetia, and on the east by Noricum, from which it was separated by the river Oenus (Inn). The line of demarcation between Vindelicia and Rhaetia is not mentioned anywhere, but was in all probability formed by the ridge of the Rhaetian Alps. Vindelicia accordingly embraced the northeastern parts of Switzerland, the south-eastern part of Baden, the southern part of Würtemberg and Bavaria, and the northern part of Tirol. (Ptol. 2.12.1, 13.1, 8.7.1; Sext. Ruf. 8; Agathem. 2.4.) The country is for the most part flat, and only its southern parts are traversed by offshoots of the Rhaetian Alps. As to the products of Vindelicia in ancient times, we have scarcely any information, though we are told by Dio Cassius (54.22) that its inhabitants carried on agriculture, and by other authors that the country was very fertile. (Solin. 21; Isid. Orig. 1.4.) The chief rivers of Vindelicia are: the Danube, the upper part of which flowed through the country, and farther down formed its boundary. All the others are Alpine rivers and tributaries of the Danube, such as the ILARGUS, GUNTIA, LICUS, VIRDO, ISARUS, and the OENUS which separated Vindelicia from Noricum. The Lacus Brigantinus in the southwest also belonged to Vindelicia.

The inhabitants of Vindelicia, the Vindelici, were a kindred race of the Rhaeti, and in the time of Augustus certainly Celts, not Germans, as some have supposed. Their name contains the Celtic root Vind, which also occurs in several other Celtic names, such as Vindobona, Vindomagus, Vindonissa, and others. (Zeuss, Die Deutschen, p. 228, foll.; Diefenbach, Celtica, 2.1. p. 134, foll.) Others, without assuming that the Vindelicians were Germans, believe that their name is connected with the German Wenden, and that it was used as a general designation for nations or tribes that were not Germans, whence the modern Wend and also the name of the Vandali or Vindili. (Comp. Hor. Carm. 4.4.18; Strab. iv. pp. 193, 207, vii. pp. 293, 313; Tac. Ann. 2.17, Hist. 3.5; Suet. Aug. 21; Veil. Pat. 2.39; Plin. Nat. 3.24.) After their subjugation by Tiberius, many of them were transplanted into other countries. (Strab. vii. p.207; D. C. 54.22.) The principal tribes into which, according to Strabo, Pliny, and Ptolemy, the Vindelici were divided, were: the BRIGANTII, RUNICATAE, LEUNI, CONSUANTAE, BENLAUNI, BREUNI, and LICATII Their more important towns were: Augusta Vindelicorum, their capital, Reginum, Arbor Felix, Brigantium, Vemania, Campodunum, Abodiacum, Abusina, Quintiana Castra, Batava Castra, Vallatum, Isinisca, Pons Oeni, and a few others, which are treated of in separate articles. (Comp. Rayser, Der Oberdonaukreis Bayerns unter den Römern, Augsburg, 1830; J. Becker, Drusus und die Vindelicier, in Schneidewin‘s Philologus, v. p. 119, foll.)