☕ SKRIVNOST IMENA Arbe

RAbota - delo. Torej smo zdaj spet ruski bratje?

Jaz v teh temah nikoli ne komentiram, ker so zelo strokovne, berem vas pa rada, samo ne razumem najbolje: enkrat napišete kot da smo Slovenci tu od pamtiveka, drugič čisto drugače. Lepo bi bilo, če bi nekdo od vas lahko napisal poenostavljeno, za kaj se gre, da bomo tudi drugi razumeli 🙁

Na Čveku 123 smo že imela Porabje in Raba, reka, tudi v povodju Visle je reka Raba.
Rab, pomen besedeb morda iskali po obliki otoka ali po namenu, za katerega je služil otok. Rab !

Imamo tudi Rab-elj

draga "Ena ki ne ve" prenberi članek, ki ga je prilepil Lelj, tisti ki je odprl temo. Tam boš izvedela osnove. Po tem pa dalje.

Reče se Rada berem vaše prispevke. Mi smo neprebrljivi kot vska človek. V nas kakor v tebi je celo vesolje.

Po nekaterih zapisih teh ta pametnih, ki komentirajo te teme sta bila Adam in Eva Slovenca in posledično vsi narodi sveta izhajajo iz slovenskega gena.

Ja, hja poslušaj tole, beri.
Mislim da sta bila res slovenca saj imata slovenska imena Adam, a-dam. in Eva. evo, evo. A in o sta v slovenščini zamenljiva.
Paimaš dokaz.
Kako se reče po hebrejsko ne vem. Če kdo ve naj pove. Mislim da gre za prevod, ki je zelo točen.

Verjetno nas je tezko razumeti, ker vsak od nas zagovarja svojo teorijo. Jaz zagovarjam tisto, ki sloni na genetskih testiranjih. Mislim, da Nikolibolje tudi, le da pripisuje Slovencem veliko vecji pomen v preteklosti, Saphire se ne more cisto odlociti ali naj potegne z nama ali naj ostane pri doseljevanju Slovanov v 6. stoletju, a mislim, da je se vedno v tem drugem taboru, spet tretju se ne opredeljujejo.

Rabota je delo v ruscini. Iz te besede izhaja beseda robot. Prvi, ki je to besedo uporabil za programirane stroje, je bil ceski pisatelj Karel Capek (ja, tisti, ki je napisal dobrega vojaka Svejka.) Ker je bil Capek mednarodno znan in priznan pisatelj, se je beseda robot iz njegovega dela razsirila v druge jezike.

Glede Raba se pa tokrat strinjam z Leljem in njegovim virom. Rab je ravno pravi otok za skriti crna jadra z lobanjo in seveda, naropane zaklade. Kdo ve, ce je kaksen se neodkrit.

Ce je kdo into odkrivanje piratskih zakladov in namerava v Kanado, priporocam Oak Island v Mahone Bay, JZ od Halifaxa na Novi Scotii. Tam naj bi ga skril ali Captain Kidd ali pa Blackbeard. Govorice pravijo, da so v tem velikem piratskem zakladu tudi dragulji Marie Antoinette. Veliko ljudi je ze iskalo zaklad, kopalo globoko, a se vedno caka srecneza, ki ga bo nasel.

V italjanskem delu Dolomitov je vasica ARABBA na začetku doline po imanu Alta Badia, za katero trdim, da so italiani priredili svoje ime po slovenski osnovi.

Z rusko besedo raboti nima Rab nič. Tudi tokrat si s DR.Snojem ne moremo pomagati.

Kaj pa pravijo drugi o izvoru besede Rab.

Najvišji del Raba je ogromen Kamenjak,katerega smer je paralelen z Velebitom in ima najvišji vrh na 408 metrih.Pobočja Kamenjaka se strmo spuščajo v morje Velebitskega kanala in so naravne ovire in zaščita pred mrazom severnih vetrov-burje.
Od Rabskega kamna zgrajene so npr.rabske,zadarske in šibenske katedrale.

Wiki pove takole 🙂 The island of Rab was first mentioned in a Greek source Periplus of Pseudo-Scylax (360 BC) and then by other Greek and Roman geographists by the name Arba. That name belonged to the Liburnians, so far the oldest known inhabitants of the island. Arba was also the name of the Liburnian settlement in the modern city of Rab. It is not certain how old this name is; it may be as old as the settlement, which means from the beginning of the Iron Age, since the Liburnians did not build the city walls on the island. The Illyrian-Liburnian word Arb meant 'dark, obscure, green, forested'. Therefore name Arba should be comprehended as a toponym meaning "Black island", due to the rich pine forests that once grew on the island. After the 1st century AD it was recorded by many other Greek and Roman authors by the names Arba and Arva. Its Medieval Dalmatian speaking population used Arbe, Arbia, Arbiana, Arbitana and most frequently Arbum in the documents written in the Latin language. Arbe became also the Venetian name of the city in the 15th century when it fell under the authority of the Republic of Venice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rab Rab

http://rab-croatia.com/history/historyen.htm#3 Rab History

The Greek writers Heccateus of Miletus and Pseudo Scimno from the second century BC, Pliny the Elder (Gaius Plinius Secundus), the roman naturalist and writer (23–29) in his work »Historia Naturalis« mentions the island of Rab under the name of Arba. The name itself probably derives from the Illyric word Arb which means dark, green, forested, which is even today an important feature of this island. The oldest monument in the town of Rab with the name of Arba mentioned, is the Roman stone inscription from the end of the 1st century BC in which it is mentioned that the emperor August had the town walls and towers built. Later, since the 1st century more Greek and Roman writers mention the island. The Byzantine emperor, writer and historian, Constantine Porphyrogenitus (912–959) in his work »De administrando imperio« mentions Rab under the name of Arbe (this form was later taken in by the Italian language), and in lated latin documents the names Arbia, Arbiana, Arbitrana and Arbum2,3 are mentioned. Roman presence is best witnessed by a large number of Roman toponomastic forms of which Rab has the most from all of the Croatian islands and the names of the settlements are also of Roman origin. On the chart of the Venetian cartographer Battista Agnese from 1542 the island of Rab is mentioned as Alib. Its modern name Rab probably has from its Illyric or Liburnian name Arba, which has an Indo-European root arb, meaning austere, dark, forested, which is also the modern feature of the island. The Croatian people have adjusted this word to their own language, and turned it into the Croatian name Rab, in which the so-called Slavic liquid metathesis is ar > ra contained. The first mention of the name Rab is to be seen in a document on the foundation of a Franciscan monastery of St. Euphemia in Kampor in 1446. http://hrcak.srce.hr/file/42829 RAB Ethnohistorical Processes and Demographic Structure of the Island of Rab, Croatia Ana Perini} Lewis Institute for Anthropological Research, Zagreb, Croatia

Ne grem se več, ker nimam idej v zvezi z imenom Rab.
Tisto beneško ime Alib malo kaže na latinsko albus - bel, belo.

Vsem krajem in otoku z imenom Rab, Rabelj, Arabba je skupno lomljenje kamna ali rudarjenje. Tudi v istri imamo podoben zgodovinski zaplet ali razple. To je vasice mestece Raša, ki je zrasel iz nekaj kmečkih hiš v pravo mesetece zaradi razvoja rudnika. Na mestu današnje Raše je bila rimska cestna postaja Arsia.

Ostane nam še pregled zemljevidov kjer tečeta reki Rabi na poljskem in v Porabju. Kdo se bo lotil.???