☕ MUSLIMANI v Franciji ustrelili 11 ljudi, mnogi v kritičnem stanju..

Mojega boga? Ah, vsaj tega problema nimam. Prednost, če si ateist. 🙂

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/dec/01/muhammad-not-most-popular-boys-name-in-britain Muhhamad

Pogrešam odziv zmernih muslimanov in ostro obsodbo ter distanco od teh patetičnih jebačev koz.

Zaenkrat še ne vedo, kdo sta morilca, otrej tudi ne kakšne vere sta, itn itn.
Se pa načelno strinjam s komentarjem, običajno niso ravno glasni pri javnem polemiziranju. Ne vem zakaj, s tem si delajo le škodo. Mogoče gre za strah al kaj.

Imaš prav, se ne ve. Razen tega, da sta vzklikala neke muslimanske parole, ne ve se pa 100% - ju sploh še niso ujeli.

Nekje sem prebrala zanimivo misel, ki pravi, da dokler zmerni ne bodo zavzeli jasnega stališča do ekstrimizma, toliko časa bo ta ekstrimizem dihal.

http://leftfootforward.org/2014/09/by-denouncing-isis-as-not-muslims-moderate-muslims-risk-making-things-worse/ takfir

NImam težav do zavezmanja stališča do ekstremistov. Katerih koli sort. Ampak, glej, gre za poboj 12ih ljudi, ne recimo svinjanje po stenah zgradbe. Malo preveč je za pričakovati, da se bo sedaj ena verska skupnost distancirala od dejanja. Mogoče jim je podtaknjeno itn itn itn.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/02/why-dont-more-moderate-muslims-denounce-extremism/ wp

http://www.onislam.net/english/news/europe/477973-french-muslims-wont-apologize-for-isil.html isil

Tile Francozi (res pogumna bitja) so zaradi svojega satirično-provokativnega delovanja že nekaj let trn v petah muslimanom; samo fora je, da se je časopis poigraval z vsemi, a samo muslimani so zgleda tako rahločutni in so jim pričeli aktivno groziti s protesti, grožnjami, jim razsuli pisarno.

Morda je lahko vmes provokacija (na k mi gredo bedne teorije zarote), vendar v končni fazi je več 10 pogumnih in pokončnih ljudi izgubilo življenje. Upam samo, da ne bodo sedaj mediji pokleknili in se ustrašili in pričeli s samocenzuro. Ni šans, da se tolerira takšne izmečke.

Kot zanimivo: "Charb, one of the caricaturists killed today, said earlier, after receiving death threats from islamists: "I am not afraid of retaliation. I have no kids, no wife, no car, no credit. It perhaps sounds a bit pompous, but I prefer to die standing than living on my knees." Source: http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/charlie-hebdo-charb-cabu-wolinsky-et-tignous-morts-dans-la-fusillade-07-01-2015-1894661_23.php"

Saphire zanimivi članki.

"Those responses should have been part of the story. But too often, Islam is portrayed negatively, and as a monolithic entity. People don’t realize that there is a diversity of opinion within Islam and that most Muslims condemn extremism and violence. Yes, Islamist extremism is a genuine threat to world peace. But those who lump all Muslims together, and dismiss as meaningless the courageous stand of the moderate majority against extremism, aren’t helping to win that battle. Rather, they’re strengthening extremism by perpetuating a false narrative of perpetual conflict between Islam and the West. That is something which we must fight with all our might."

No, ja, pa smo tam - medijska propaganda in igranje na čustva. Samo to si lahko tudi razlagam kot to, da so premalo glasni.

Kolikor razumem, je argumentacija problem.

In the US, the Council for American-Islamic Relations called ISIS ‘un-Islamic and morally repugnant’. Arsalan Iftikhar, a well-known American Muslim writer, meanwhile wrote that ISIS should be called the ‘Un-Islamic State’. The Organisation of Islamic Conference has said that the ISIS’s killing of US journalist James Foley has ‘nothing to do with Islam’, while the Muslim Council of Britain has called ISIS ‘un-Islamic to the core’.

These are strong words and these condemnations are both welcome and well-intentioned. However, many such denunciations also deeply problematic.

Just as non-Muslims who try to tackle Islamism through defining moderate interpretations of Islam as the sole ‘true Islam’ actually undermine liberal Muslim attempts to develop a pluralist understanding of religion, so moderate Muslims’ use of takfir – the process of denouncing rival Muslims as apostates or non-Muslims – reinforces the ideological underpinnings of the very movements they are seeking to tackle.

Takfirism is the root and enabler of all modern jihadism; takfirist doctrine enables any ‘true’ Muslim to label those with a rival interpretation of Islam as no longer Muslim.

This, combined with traditional Islamic jurisprudence that mandates death for apostates, is taken by jihadists as an open license to denounce and then kill their enemies.

When moderate Muslim groups use takfirism to tackle extremism, this dangerous and intrinsically intolerant doctrine is therefore not challenged but is instead reaffirmed. Illustrating this, one British fighter in Syria, explaining why he regarded the MCB as his enemies, said: ‘The Muslim Council of Britain, they are apostates, they are not Muslims”, ironically the same argument that the MCB itself makes against ISIS.

Kličem na pomoč: Occam's razor - najboljša rešitev je tista, ki je najbolj preprosta: jasna in enostavna retorika, npr. ne nasilju. Tega očitno niso še zmožni. Stojim in trdim, da so muslimani še daleč od samoreflektivne in kritične katarze. Ta agonija se bo vlekla še najmanj pol stoletja.

The Arab League and Al-Azhar University condemn attack


The Arab League and Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's most prestigious centre of learning in Egypt, both issued statements:

"Arab League chief Nabil al-Arabi strongly condemns the terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo newspaper in Paris."

Al-Azhar condemned the "criminal attack," saying that "Islam denounces any violence".



@rayverma tweets: #Paris, you're on my mind. The darkest moment in the history of French media. To my French family - stay safe. #ParisShooting #CharlieHebdo

Posted at 13:52

"This is not in the name of Islam. These ppl don't represent ANY religion. No matter what they say. Disgraceful & heartbreaking #CharlieHebdo"