☕ SKRIVNOST IMENA Korkoras - 2

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Ja, ampak Pettau se pa ni reklo.
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The richest and oldest mythological cyclus in Croatia is Veyske Povede, including 9 major folk legends conserved in Krk island ( its domestic pre-Yugoslav name is Khark). The style, volume and imagination of these legends are well comparable to the Nordic Sagas and to the Greek Illyade and Odysseyas, including a picturesque description of early Croatan prehistory from the divine world origins and the vanished early Paradise of Yndrah ( = India), then the ancient wars of Korynthia and old Croats naval migration from Orient to the Adriatic. http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/pdfs/iranian_origin_croats.pdf Iranian origin of Croats

The Amber Route passed through the area of Kvarner because it is, beside the Bay of Trieste, the place where the Mediterranean Sea reaches most deeply into the European continent. This simple geographical fact has been the basis of all prehistoric (and modern as well) routes between the Baltic, Central Europe and pre-Alpine areas, whereas the Adriatic Sea was used as the maritime route to the great civilisations of the south-east Mediterranean. Amber, a seemingly plain yellow-brown resin known as elektron in Greek that was dug out of peat bogs on the coast of the cold Baltic Sea, was highly prized by the people who lived along the Adriatic coasts and in the Apennines in the last millennium BC, and even during the Roman domination. People who lived along the mentioned transalpine routes owed their civilisational progress to the amber and salt trade. Untreated amber was transported to the workshops of Etruscan master craftsmen who would work it into jewellery and then returned to Central Europe with other pieces of jewellery and ornamentation. The ancient inhabitants of the Kvarner area - the Liburnians and the Japodes - would take part in this trade in amber that continued for many centuries (although it was interrupted for a while due to Celtic expansion). This is why the Kvarner islands were called the Elektrides (Amber islands) by Hellenic writers. However, items made of amber have been found not only in graves near Krk and Osor, but also in prehistoric settlements in the hinterland of Rijeka - Kastav and Grobnik. The value of amber came from the belief that it had healing and protective powers. http://www.kvarner.hr/kultura/english/archaeological.html Culture of Kvarner

nisem pozabila na tvoj iziv. Zanima me kje rečejo šipek vrtnici, tudi pri nas na gorenjskem so včasih rekli šipek. Saj je vrtnica le selekcioniran in precepljen šipek. Tudi šipkov je veliko vrst.

Takrat nisem hotela nadaljevati z temo, ki se ne drži naslova.

Prosim te odpri temo na vrtnico - šipek, tedaj bomo govorili o vrtnici in predhodnikom šipkom. (s šipkom bodo težave. Modra se bomo morali zateči k zbnstvenem latinskem imenu, da razvozljamo imena v drugih jezikih.)

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Ja saj ti začneš v drugi temi z novo temo, mi ti samo odgovarjamo. Enako je v tej temi.
Ne razumem te logike.
Šipek se reče na mejah Prlekije.

Pettau so dali Nemci ime

ma dekline saj je to čvek ni se potrebno držati rdeče niti teme kot pijanc plota, malo še vmes o sončkih, brisačkah pa descih, pa ste kompletne čvekatorke

Ja saj, ista zgodba kot z Mariborom. Leta 1209 je Maribor v listini vojvode Leopldi VI. Babenberžana omenjen kot trg forum Marchpurch. V listini z dne 4. decembra 1254 se Maribor prvič omenja kot mesto civitatem Marpurg. Vse do začetka 19. stoletja je mesto imelo le eno, nemško ime Marburk, ki so ga Slovenci popačili v Marprok.

ja saj veš ono, slovenščina je rajn špraha brez fremdnih ausdrukof

No evo, Premica nam je dal žegen. Meni je itak luštno skakljat iz teme na temo, edino brisače bi jaz z razgaljenimi mladci menjala .) Torej, kaj je z besedo vrtnica ki bi naj bila samo slovenska?

itak 🙂

Ehmmm, o tej teoriji nisem imela pojma. Zdaj si pa skušam priklicati v spomin, če so Iranci, Gruzijci, Armenci in Turki res podobni Hrvatom oziroma Hrvati njim 🙂

Ta teorija je bila napisana leta 1998, torej bo vsak cas polnoletna. Na hitro sem preletela in sloni na antropologiji in podobnosti kultur z Iranci. V njej ni besede o genetiki, ki kaze, da je 0,5 % Hrvaskih korenin na bliznjem vzhodu in prav toliko iz severne Azije, ne pa iz centralne Azije. Ta teorija me spominjoa na tisto, ki trdi, da so Turki potomcev Azijskih hord, dokler teorije ni zavrgla genetika, ki je ugotovila, da so doma v Anatoliji, grciji in le 10 % iz Azije. No, Hrvati imajo celo samo1% azijske genetike. (Pa se to verjetno delno po zaslugi Korcule, kjer so se nasli kitajski geni - Marco Polo in 4 Kitajci, ki jih je pripeljal nazaj v Evropo?)To zame ni dokaz, da so prisli iz Irana. Kulture se ves cas izmenjavajo in sposojajo ena od druge. Ce gledamo kulture, naj za primer dam, kako danes vsi srkajo amerisko kulturo. Ce bi nas antropologi studirali cez 10 000 let, bi bili glede na obicaje in materiale, ki se uporabljajo, obliko proizvodnje, postavili za ljudi ameriskega izvora. Seveda vsi vemo, da to ni res in to dokazuje nasa genetika, ne pa tudi nasa kultura. Antropologija brez genetike je le eno samo ugibanje.

Se popolnoma strinjam, ironija je bila tudi v moji prejšnji izjavi. Se mi pa zdi da imamo tudi Slovenci podobno teorijo 🙂

No, saj zaradi podobnosti teorij sem prilimala tole 🙂 Mislim, da Srbi trdijo, da so v bistvy Kelti, in sicer Sarmatijci.

Fiddlesticks, vidim, da si pristasica phylogeografije.

Ja tako je. Tisti procent azijske krvi so prinesli iz azije Bratje Hrvati, ki so najprej ropali po, povsod, nazadnje pa v sedanji hrvaški. Hrvati so se imenovali zato ker so re ruvali rvali hrvali. Bilo so nasilni pretepači in roparji, ki so se kot mnogo drugih (tudi rimljani) udinjali prvotnemu prebivalstvu, kot obrambniki in veselo in bogato živeli od pretepanja.

drugič vek kako so postavljali razni pretešpači šimor sveta kolonjive v antiki. Morda mi boste pa vi napisali. Se veselim .

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@Saphire, do zdaj se nisem slisala te besede. Hvala za se eno novo besedo. Jaz se imam za pristasico stevilk. Numbers don't lie.

vpiši v slovar besedo hrvat in poišči angleški prevod..

Nikolibolje, gre se za besedo phylogeografija, ne za besedo Hrvat. A si me spomnila, da se beseda kravata imenuje po Hrvatih.

Nisem se toliko poglabljala v iransko - hrvasko zgodovino, vendar naj bi slo posebej za dinarski tip , sicer imamo menda three sub-types of Croats proper: Dinaric (Iranoid race), Mediterranean (Latinoid race) and Panonian (Slavoid race) The Dinaric type to which many Croats belong is often viewed as an Iranic sub-type: - http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php Common origins So, Croats as one part of the Slavic Indo Europeans emerged from somewhere there along other Indo Europeans and migrated together with others under the same Slavic group and settled at White Croatia. The proto-Iranian theory is actually about Croat name "Horvatos" more then anything else, and should not be mistaken with genetic ancestry of Croats. This theory has emerged in Croatian society and is very popular because if it is true that Croatian ancient ancestors were white proto-IndoEuropean proto-Iranians it would mean that Croats are the oldest European ethnicity that has been around under the same name for literally thousands of years. But again, it has little credibility and only presumptions. It is indeed very important to not mix those theories since Gothic/Slavic theory is determining Croatian genetic ancestry while proto-Iranian theory is determining Croatian name "Horvatos" ancestry and is linguistically based. Now as you have seen our History, now lets check Croatian DNA research. CROATIAN GENETICS, HAPLOGROUPS: Quote: Genetically, on the Y chromosome line, a majority (>87%) of Croats belong to one of the three major European Y-DNA haplogroups -- Haplogroup I (38%), Haplogroup R1a 35% and Haplogroup R1b 16%[28]. All three groups migrated to Europe during the upper paleolithic around 30,000-20,000 BC. Later, neolithic lineages, originating in the Middle East and that brought agriculture to Europe, are present in surprisingly low numbers. The haplogroups J, E and G constitute together less than 10% - significantly lower than other populations in the region. Furthermore the dominant presence of haplogroup I is rather interesting. This group exists in Europe only and is fairly widespread, but in relatively small percentages. Its frequency in the Balkans is high, but the only populations that have similar levels of the I group are the Scandinavians. Haplogroup I is believed to have weathered the last glacial maximum in the western Balkans, migrating north as the ice sheets retreated. https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t612962/ croatian origins haplogroups

Ah kravata croate. Ja včasih so pretepači nosili okoli vratu skoraj neuporabno cunjo, ruto poznje robec. To so uporabljali kot prvi povoj, kadar so bili ranjeni. Enako so nosili ameriški kauboji ruto okoli robes- ruto okoli vratu. Nekateri mislijo, da zaradi potu. Proti potu, ki teče iz glave so si indijanci in jaz privezovali ozek trak nad obrvmi. Je zelo učinkovito, ker ne teče pot čez oči in obraz. Za tisti trak so si zatakinili tudi kakšno pero. Pero za trakom pa nosijo še danes naši vrli lovci. Cenjena so peresa ruševca pod repom krivčki.
No kako blizu indijancev smo !

nikolibolje, vem da je ven iz teme, me pa zanima, ali imaš otroke? Taka zakladnica znanja si, si kar predstavljam kako te radi poslušajo 🙂

Ja imaš prav radi me poslušajo otroci. Imam svoje otroke pa sta oba še mala.

Morda ste slišali za ime Korotan.
Tako tuje in ob enem tako znano se mi zdi.

KOROTAN

Ste se utrudili, so postale vaše glavice pretežke zaradi razmišljanja, vam ni več povšeči debata o čudnih in skrivnostnih imenih iz davnine ?

Lelj, bodi malo bolj živahen in inovativen, raziskuj stara imena.